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go. >> sure. >> okay. grover norquist, thank you very much. that's all tonight. here's anderson cooper with the debt crisis and breaking news on" ac 360." breaking news, president obama's prime time call for a deal to end the debt crisis and john boehner's response. the speeches coming with two competing new proposals 0 the table, one from senate democrats the other from house republicans neither looking likely to pass. mean while, seven days until the government runs oust money and rating agencies threatening to downgrade the nation's credit even if a deal is reached. even if a deal is reached. it's a aaa, nearly as good as cash or gold and has been almost from the begin. losing that status would raise interest rates for all of us, make mortgages cost more, stifle the economy, possibly trigger a run on the dollar. tonight, president obama restated his desire for a deal that includes tax increases on wealthier americans as well as spending cuts.
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he cited statistics appealing to bipartisanship and invoked the words of ronald reagan and also acknowledged how sharply divided washington is while trying to channel a bipartisan frustration among americans for what goes on in washington. take a look. >> i realize that a lot of the new members of congress and i don't see eye to eye on many issues. but we were each elected by some of the same americans for some of the same reasons. yes, many want government to start living within its means, and many are fed up with a system in which the debt seems stacked against middle class americans in favor of the wealthiest few. but do you know what people are fed up with most of all? they're fed up with a town where compromise has become a dirty word. they work all day long, many of them scraping by, just to put
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-- the american people might have voted that they didn't vote for a dysfunctional government. i am asking you to make your voice heard. if you want a balanced approach to reducing the deficit, let your member of congress now. if you believe we can solve this problem to compromise, send that message. >> there were sharply partisan moments as well and we will talk about that in a moment. first the house speaker, john boehner's response. >> the president has said we needed balanced approach which a washington means we spent more and to pay more.
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having run a small business, i know those tax increases will destroy jobs. the president is adamant that we cannot make and not changes to our entitlement programs. as the father of two daughters, i know these will be there for their kids on last significant action is taken out. the sad truth is that the president wanted a blank check six months ago and wants a blank check today. this is just not going to happen. there is no still made in congress. the house passed a bill to raise the debt limit with bipartisan support. this week, while the senate is struggling to pass a bill filled with phony accounting and washington gimmicks, we're going to pass another bill, one that was developed with the support a bipartisan leadership of the u.s. senate. obviously i expect that bill can and will pass senate and be sent to the president for signature. if the president signs it, the crisis atmosphere that he has created will simply disappear. the debt limit will be raised,
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spending will be cut by more than $1 trillion. and a serious bipartisan committee will begin the hard but necessary work of dealing with the tough challenges our nation faces. >> he made no mention of the proposal he and other gop leaders rolled out a few hours ago. a lot is still in influx and in a moment, we'll talk it over with my panel. first let's start off with jessica yellin who joins us from the white house. what was the president trying to do tonight? at this point is it just about pressuring congress to get his deal done? >> yes. in a word. or to reach a compromise. it was about reaching beyond the congress and getting the american people and his supporters to call, to e-mail, to phone bank their members to do what they can and pass some version of the a bill. i'll point out a few things, anderson. he aligned the democrats plan with compromise and balance, the words you've heard him say over and over as what's needed. he tried to isolate speaker boehner's plan and align it with
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a faction of republican's which is, you know, lingo for sort of hardliners. you heard him use regan to say this needs to be done. i didn't hear him repeat his veto threat. where he threatened in the past where he said he -- i'm told we shouldn't read too much into that. he's done it every other speech. and again, it's an interesting moment for the president if you detect the change of tone from his press conference last week when he was angry and frustrated, today very statesman-like and presidential and in his voice, although quite partisan and political as you pointed out in the substance of what he said. >> right. he's saying it's about compromise. but it was a very partisan speech. boehner rolled out his proposal today but didn't give one specific of his plan in the response to the president's speech. is that because not all house republicans are on board with what boehner is behind?
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>> you make a good point and not all house republicans are on board and there's no clarity that will pass. it's certainly -- there's no path forward for it to pass the senate at this point. the republicans are arguing that they were very -- he was very clear in his speech about the principles. the bottom line is it was about point-scoring for both of them, playing to their base and trying to get their own teams to fight the other and all this spells "impasse" with about a week to go. this doesn't move the ball forward. >> yeah. it certainly doesn't. jessica, appreciate your reporting. we've got james carville by skype. eric erikkson, april ryan, white house correspondent and senior political analyst, david gergen. james carville, listening to the speeches it sounds like to jessica's point, like there's been no movement at all and they're kind of talking past each other. >> the democrats can't surrender to somebody. they keep trying to surrender
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and they say we'll cut medicare, cut medicaid, give you a plan with no tax increases or spending cuts and they keep rejecting it. this thing is a -- the republicans are winning this thing in a route in terms of getting what they want and poor speaker boehner came up with a plan today and as jessica pointed out, the tea party didn't even want that. i think that you can't negotiate if one side is not interested in negotiating. this is like napoleon and moscow in 1812. i don't want to negotiate. there's nothing to talk about here. so i don't know with where this is going to end up. maybe the democrats can find somebody to take the white flag. so far they haven't been able to do it. >> eric, is that how you see it? >> no. i actually think they're closer than all these speeches would suggest. if you look at what harry reid is proposing and john boehner, other than john boehner require
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two votes and a few other issues, by and large their plans are identical. i suspect they'll get merged within the next week. guys like me won't like it. we knew a compromise was coming. the problem is neither plan cuts three to $4 trillion which is what s&p said they need to do to keep the credit rating at triple-a. >> how big of a concern is that? even with the plans the credit rating might still be downgraded? >> it's a very big risk, anderson. there's two different events here and it's hard to keep them separated from each other. the first is getting the debt sealing lifted. that's the critical negotiation under way now. even if we get it lifted, eric's right. standard & poor's is saying even if you get it lifted it's how much you're willing to cut the deficits that they will really judge the triple-a rating of the united states on and if it's something less than $3 to $4 trillion in real cuts they're
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going to lower the credit rating of the united states for the first time in our history. we've had it since 1917 we've been triple-a. there's a growing sense at top levels here in washington that the chances of a credit rating downgrade is becoming more than just a possibility but moving towards a probability. >> april, for those who haven't been following this as closely as everybody in washington and a lot of other folks have been following it, where do the -- do both plans stand right now? you have harry reids and john boehner. >> you know, really, all the plans right now, are in flux. but yet, they're not in flux. a lot of he say she say. up and down pennsylvania avenue. what wants what. what's going to be taken. what's not. the bottom line is, the american people want this to be done. they want this to be over with. they want to make sure they're safe and the bottom line -- safe financially. the bottom line is, i'm hearing
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from the republican side that, at the end of the day the president will wind up having to sign this boehner plan where you have these two parts of raising the debt limit and then the white house is saying, look, we're not for this. we want -- we don't want a short-term fix. they're going to hold out as long as they can because they're feeling if it's taken this long just to come up with this, going back six months later is not going to work and the bottom line is, what's missing in the equation is the american people. and, again, as you just talked about, also, the standard & poor's triple-a credit rating we have to remember that credit rating also helps the engine of this country, small business. small businesses, a lot of times, employ people when they feel, i've got a government contract or some kind of monies coming in. if they don't feel that security, what's going to happen to the jobs' rate again? >> david, can you try to break down just where these two plans are in some way?
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one's head can kind of explode trying to figure out all the details. how does boehner's plan and reed's plan, which are the two plans out there, how do they differ? >> well, john boehner's plan is the more ambitious plan and very controversial. it divides itself into two parts. the first is in effect, about a trillion dollars worth of extension of the debt ceiling and it forces a second vote on -- a renewed fight over the debt ceiling about six months from now and what the white house and president adamantly feel strongly about is he doesn't want that second vote. and that's because they worry the republicans will put a gun to their heads on the eve of the second vote and say take these cuts in entitlements or you're going to go into default and they don't want to be in that situation. that's the boehner plan and frankly, the boehner plan may not pass the house but it will surely die in the senate. harry reid has a plan which is only -- takes the debt ceiling
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all the way until january of 2013. it gets rid of that problem for the president but from a republican point of view isn't as big at it seems. he's saying, i got $2.7 trillion worth of cuts but a trillion of them from a republican point of view are phantom cuts. they take -- they say we're going to wind down in iraq and afghanistan and save a trillion dollars without having a war for ten more years. who thought we'd be there for ten more years so republicans say that's a gimmick. the reid plan will have a hard time passing and will not pass the house so you've got the two plans out there are ultimately horses you can't ride to the finish line and the issue becomes, what comes after them and can you get it done before monday or tuesday of next week? i think we're heading towards a two or three-week extension of this fight. i think the president will accept some sort of extension for two or three weeks to allow this fight to play out. >> when we come back we'll talk
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to our panel and get james carville's take and eric erikkson's take on those two plans. let us know what you think. i'll be tweeting and on facebook. ahead, norway terror suspect. what we learned and his new claims he didn't act alone and and the chilling 1500-page anti-muslim manifesto. and the dominique strauss-kahn case. the maid at the center of the assault. breaks her silence. interesting details about her and her allegations of sexual assault. and an autopsy performed today in the tragic premature death of amy winehouse. we'll have the early results of the autopsy. results may just deepen the mystery. we'll talk to dr. drew pinsky about her public struggle with addiction. ananananannouncer ] the network.
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most americans regardless of political party, don't understand how we can ask a senior citizen to pay more for her medicare before we ask a
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corporate jet owner or the oil companies to give up tax breaks that other companies don't get. how can we ask a student to pay more for college before we ask hedge fund managers to stop paying taxes at a lower rate than their secretaries? how can we slash funding for education and clean energy before we ask people like me to give up tax breaks we don't need and didn't ask for? that's not right. it's not fair. >> president obama earlier tonight. joining us back again is democratic strategist james carville and eric erikkson. what's wrong with boehner's plan? >> he doesn't have the votes. he can't get the tea party to vote for it. and, according to the president, he doesn't want to revisit this thing during an election year. i'm not sure as a democrat i mind revisiting it during the election year. it seems like the politics for this, is pretty favorable for the democrats.
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our poll is up 51-30. 21 points is a pretty big lead in american politics with something like this. they think it's bad policy, as do other people, to revisit this. and boehner has the sort of super congress thing in there, some sort of controversy among the tea party about that because they think it will lead to tax increases and all kinds of different things here but hopefully they'll get it worked out because they're playing with some awfully dangerous combustible material here. it could blow up in somebody's face. >> the other thing in boehner's plan they're talking about setting up, yet, another commission, to look at ways to cut spending down the road. haven't we had endless commissions that have come up with plans about this? >> that's one of my biggest complaint about boehner and harry reid's plan, both of which set up commissions of some sort. since 1982, january 1st of 1982, we've had 18 commissions. we've seen the deficit or the
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national debt go from $1.12 trillion to now $14.02 trillion with these 18 commissions to ring in the deficit. they don't work. they have never worked. sometimes we get tax increases out of them and rarely do we get cuts. boehner and reid's are both too clever and i have the same problem with boehner plan that james does and i think it's ridiculous to fight it over again in six months in an election year. it winds up helping the democrats but more importantly i think it's bad for the country to have a debate like this six months in a row. >> i was saying this with some of the tea party problems. some of it might not be my individual problem but i'm making a point of what they say is wrong with that and i don't know if the politics of having another vote on this. i don't know if they're bad or good, eric. >> james, what do you think will happen? >> you know what? i don't know. to be honest, anderson, i talk to a lot of people on the phone today and i've detected in
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people that follow this closely, i'm detecting a slight element of something i've never heard before, like, maybe it can't get there. a little fear in people's voices. i don't believe that. it doesn't look like the bond market believes it but this is a very, very, very touchy situation. a significant number of republicans as i pointed out, that says it's not a big deal if we default. senator demint, sean hannity, the "wall street journal," ran a big influential piece by a big-time investor saying it would be better to go into default. they don't believe in expertise and sent the establishment guy down there and they think it's all made up and this is something they've been sent here to do so we don't know. boehner has -- they've got to get some democratic votes to do this. >> james, i would say that's a mischaracterization of their position in that they were not saying go to default. what they were saying is after august 2nd we wouldn't default
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because we'd have enough money to pay the principal and interest on the debt so it technically wouldn't be a default but it's worth pointing out in december of 2010, harry reid had the opportunity to raise the debt ceiling and i have the politico piece pulled up where he said he would rather wait until the republicans got in charge in the house to do it. >> they said if you didn't do it on a 2nd there would be plenty of money coming in. most people say that's not true. most experts say this is very, very dangerous thing. there's a significant number of influential people on the right that say it won't be a big deal. i'd hate to see the experts be proven right in this. >> james, eric erikkson, appreciate your time. thanks very much. did the suspect in friday's norway terrorist attack work with accomplices? he was in court today. a lot of developments. we'll bring you the latest. and the autopsy on the body of british singer amy winehouse, we have details about her
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norwegians pause today for the victims of friday's attacks. in oslo, the capital city and the site of one attack, nearly 200,000 people joined in a memorial procession and a number of significant developments in the investigation and attacks. at a court hearing, the suspect, 32-year-old anders breivik pleaded not guilty. two counts of terrorism. the hearing with you closed to. public before afterwards, the judge said despite the plea, he acknowledged carrying out the bombing in downtown oslo and a mass shooting at a nearby
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island. the judge said breivik claims to have worked with accomplices or as he told can court, quote, two more cells in our organization. police refuse to confirm that detail and yesterday top police officials say breivik told investigators he acted alone so it's a contradiction. and then the so-called manifesto that has his name on it. cnn has not independently confirmed he wrote this 1,500 page manifesto but in it the author rails against the growth of muslim across europe and political leaders who he believes are doing nothing to stop it. they revised the death toll downward to 76. initially they believed it was 93 people but it looks like some victims were counted twice. here's more on the terror that unfolded. many of the children at this summer camp in norway had no chance to escape. >> were people around you hit? >> yes. my friend saw his girlfriend being shot and just floating away.
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>> some were executed hiding in tents or as they huddled among rocks for safety. those that tried to swim away found no refuge either. >> translator: it was about 20 to 30 of us trying to swim over. i saw a few of them being shot in the water. and it was a very powerful water. you could see the water breaking around and you could see when the water turned red. >> cooly and methodically, he shot victims as they begged for their lives. authorities are still searching the woods and waters around the island for bodies. but they believe breivik murdered nearly 70 people here during his killing spree. >> it's very important we find every body so the family can start the grieving process. >> authorities have been poring over a 1500 page manifesto that surfaced on the internet on the same day as the mass murders. allegedly written by the killer himself. some passages appear similar to writings of unabomber ted kaczynski but much is a rant against islam. time is of the essence, the
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manifesto reads. we have only a few decades. manifesto reads, our major cities are completely and demographically overwhelmed by muslims. breivik saw himself as a crusader against islam, a modern day knights templar. on a video on youtube, breivik can be seen posing with weapons and in military uniform. many sent their children to the camp breivik targeted and authorities say he wanted to send a message. the judge paraphrased his comments in court today. >> translator: as long as the labor party keeps drawing the ideological line and mass importing muslims then they must assume responsibility for this treason. and any person with a conscience can't allow his country to be colonized by muslims. >> we knew he drew inspiration from some. manifesto mentioned pamela
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geller. helped to lead the charge against the mosque near ground zero describing her as a decent human being and citing her blog 12 times. another american author, robert spencer was mentioned 46 times. his website, jihad watching with was cited an additional 130 times. lorz ghoul is a terror expert. >> these websites provide a greenhouse for extremist ideas because they become isolated. people who do not share these ideas they tend to stay away which means that there's no opposition. there's no arguments so they feed upon themselves. >> supporters of geller and spencer say the effort to link them to the massacre is a kin to character assassination in the media and say it's unfair to blame them for the killings. as for the message breivik wanted to send through his murderous rampage in norway seems to be falling on deaf ears.
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>> we don't want to be silenced. we'll continue doing what we want to do. we want to make the world a better place and continue with our politics. we want to show them that they're not going to shoot us to silence. what we know is in his manifesto, he was planning four attacks, two or carried out. there is some evidence with the fertilizer that was believed to have been used in the bombing also. he had six tons delivered to his farm and experts estimate one ton was used a bomb in oslo, three towns discovered on the
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farm, two tons in the peace aren't saying it is official, there's growing concern about this two tons of fertilizer that could be used for making bombs that is missing. if this and get it is linked to these other two attacks, is that related to cells that he is also talking about? perhaps he has the police and a wild goose chase turkey certainly has the more it. >> these costumes he is dressed up and, one of them looks like a marine corps ballew said has been altered to be something for the knights templar which is an organization that has not been around for 700 years, right? >> no, i mean he uses images of free to the lion heart, a british cane who went off in the 11th century to fight in the middle east against muslims back then. he is trying to manipulate the image of himself on knowing that he was going to be arrested.
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presents himself as a norwegian nationalists, a year of saving the country, as in that uniform and the national trust, also seen in a wet suit holding a rifle, as a marksman. he is trying to manipulate his image. that is the message here, a savior for the country. >> this 1500 page manifesto that he wrote and posted online, some of their clothes from ted kosinski, but it is focused on countering what he sees as the advance of islam into his country and into the west, right? >> it is cut and paste idealogy. a lot of people have looked at it and say it doesn't amount to a lot it doesn't show he was incredibly smart. what worries the counterterrorism officials and where it does show how intelligent and capable he is, is that really he lays out a murderous manual here. he talks about precisely how to make a bomb and how to avoid detection from counterterrorism
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officials and order parts for weapons. to do a lot of things that would allow somebody to replicate these heinous and horrible acts that he's perpetrated on the norwegians here. not this cut and paste, anyone can do it, ideology. but this, laying out how to do another terror attack. anderson. >> a roadmap for terror. thanks. weeks after dominique strauss-kahn was freed from house arrest his accuser comes forward telling her story publicly for the first time and shares details with "newsweek." they talked to her for three hours and chris joins me along with jeffrey toobin. and what early autopsy results reveal about the death of singer amy winehouse and her plans for a funeral tomorrow. details ahead. a network of pos. excuse me? my grandfather was born in this village. [ automated voice speaks foreign language ] [ male announcer ] in here, everyone speaks the same language.
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welcome back in "crime and punishment" a huge twist in the case of dominique strauss-kahn. the hotel maid who alleged he sexually assaulted her broke her silence with "newsweek" magazine and "good morning america." i turned my head and he comes to me and grabbed my breast and he says, no, you don't have to be sorry. i said, stop this. i don't want to lose my job. i was like, stop this, stop this, stop this. but he won't say nothing. he keeps pushing me, pushing me, pushing me back to the hallway. i was so afraid.
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i was so scared. >> that's how a 32-year-old nafissatou dioallo described what happened on may 14th when she walked into the strauss-kahn's luxury suite in new york. she said she was surprised by a naked man lunging at her, a manage she didn't recognize. >> when did you realize he was one of the most powerful men in the world? >> i was watching the news and they say he's going to be the knicks president of france! then i say, oh, my god! and i was crying. i said, they're going to kill me. i said, they're going to kill me. i'm going to die. >> why did you think that? >> because i know if i was in my country, a powerful man like that, they're going to kill me before someone knows what happened to me. >> she's from guinea in west africa and came to the u.s. in 2003 and applied for asylum. she has a teenager daughter and she's speaking out at a crucial time as prosecutors are
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struggling with the case. >> what do you want? >> i want justice. i want him to go to jail. i want him to know you cannot use your power when you do something like this. >> strauss-kahn's lawyer denied anything and said anything that happened was consensual. they say the witness lied on her asylum application. they say her lawyer and prosecutors will meet on wednesday. we have our mid east editor that interviewed her for three hours for the magazine's cover story. i talked with him and scene your legal analyst jeffrey toobin. chris, you interviewed here. was she believable when you talked with her? >> yeah. i thought she was very believable when she was talking about the incident itself, the alleged attempted rape and sexual assault. not only because she told that
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story consistently many, many times but also, because we know that almost all of the physical evidence or all of it supports her case. and, also, because we haven't heard from dominique strauss-kahn is simple. she can't read or write in any language and her job is a job that gave her a great source of pride. and when she started talking about her fear that somehow, dealing with this crazy naked guy in this room, was going to created a situation where she was going to lose her job, that filled in a big blank in terms of my understanding of the case. >> you do write in the piece that at times, her tears seemed forced. >> yeah, when she was talking about other things but that wasn't the case when she was telling the story of the alleged criminal assault. >> jeff, you see these interviews as an act of desperation by her lawyer. how so? >> because this case is hanging by a thread.
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the prosecutor has made clear publicly that there are enormous credibility problems and her lawyers are trying to go public in an effort to put public pressure on vance not to drop the case. >> i don't think her lawyers really believe this case will ever go to trial in a criminal -- as a criminal case. but i do think that they want to keep the investigation going. they want to keep the wheels turning for a while because i think they're going to lodge a civil suit very soon. >> and they've said they're going to bring a civil suit which, frankly, undermines her credibility even more because it plays into dominique strauss-kahn's claim that this is all a money-grab on her part. >> chris, in your article you discuss the phone conversation she had had with somebody, i believe, who was in prison when it was originally recounted in "the new york times," it made it seem like she was going to be hitting dsk up for money and
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this was about money. but there's been another translation of it. does it exonerate her or still make her seem kind of suspicious? >> it makes her seem a little less suspicious. even the way it was presented in "the new york times," it was a conversation that took place after the incident. she's talking to somebody and telling them what's going on. he's asking her if she can take care of herself. she's saying she can. the thing that seemed incriminating is she said, he has a lot of money, i know how to take care of this, essentially what was attributed to her but that was not based on an actual transcript of the conversation, which isn't to say the prosecutors don't have something to worry about, they absolutely do. the big problem for them is that on her asylum application, she lied about a rape, about having been raped under certain circumstances and she memorized the account of that so that she could tell it and make people cry when she told the story and it was all a lie. so you put her on the stand with that bit of information about
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her, and there's no way you're going to cross the threshold of proving beyond a reasonable doubt that she's telling the truth. >> so, jeff, do you think prosecutor also bring this case to a criminal trial? because you could make the argument, people who lie on their applications and lie in their lives also still can be raped. and maybe that's what happened to this woman. >> and people who are wronged often file civil lawsuits and that doesn't mean that they're greedy and lying either. i don't know, anderson. i think this is a very tough call for the prosecutors here. but, you know, she still has going for her the fact that this sexual encounter which we know from dna evidence took place, was a very bizarre thing. and i think at least some jurors might say -- of course, she's telling the truth. how else could this sexual encounter have unfolded? other than by force from dominique strauss-kahn. >> fascinating article in
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"newsweek" and jeff to you bin as well. thanks. up next, the autopsy report is back in the death of singer amy winehouse but questions remain. we'll talk with dr. drew pinsky about her death and addiction. and the home shopping network is on notice. yes, they built a huge brand and they have a loyal following but they're missing an opportunity of a lifetime. find out what they're passing up next on our rediculist. [ man ] they said i couldn't win a fight.
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a private funeral for amy winehouse will be held tomorrow. the autopsy was completed today but results were inconclusive. police are hoping lab tests will help determine the cause of death. they'll be back in two or three weeks. the 27 year old shot to fame
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four years ago with her unique raw powerful vocal sound but also known for her erratic and self-destructive behavior. last month in a concert in serbia she was booed off the stage by fans when she couldn't remember the words to her song. ♪ short time ago i spoke to dr. drew pinsky host on our sister network. dr. drew, where you see the concert in bell grade where she was incoherent and was booed off the stage and then cancelled her tour, what does that tell you? why was she even on the stage in the first place? >> that's the real question here. apparently she had been in treatment just a few weeks or maybe a few days before. and many my experience, that is
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the number one reason my patients that are celebrities have difficulty getting effective treatment. that is, they are people that make a lot of money for other people and they love their careers and want to get back to it but they inevitably go back prematurely. what they need to do is drop out and not worry about their job and focus on their recovery. many times, for months or years before they return to something like touring for a musical performance. >> it's weird because she seemed like she had done that for a while. she dropped out. you didn't sear the pictures of her stumbling around like you did in london for a while and then she popped up in this belgrade thing and it seemed to be a downward spiral from there. we all kind of saw this train wreck coming for years and years and years with her. she talked and sang about not wanting to go to rehab unless the person wants to do it, no amount of attention or caring by family members or others can really do much, right? >> that is essentially true,
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anderson. the fact is, you can't make somebody want to get well. addiction is a chronic life-long condition and it requires daily management and someone with this condition really has to want to get sober and do the work every day like a diabetic takes insulin every day or their diabetes runs out of control. it's difficult to get somebody to want to do that work and people that love them and surround them sometimes are not enough. the pain they cause other people, often not enough to get them into sobriety but i'll tell you, however, if you can leverage somebody into a long-term structured environment like six or 12 months, sometimes it will come to and regain insight and see their disease for what it really is and then have some motivation to pursue recovery. >> do you think celebrities are more prone to struggle with addiction than the average individual >> the answer is yes. i have literature and research on this.
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what was clear is it's not being a celebrity that increases the risk of addiction. it's the kinds of person that strives to be a celebrity, comes to their celebrity status with the predisposition for addiction. once they have celebrity money and power, it's very difficult for them to get in the way of their disease and leverage them into treatment. the people around them oftentimes aren't willing to sacrifice their access to that individual by confronting them and doing what's right for that individual. >> it seems that it's one of those things where someone with so much talent and so much going for them and the possibility of having a good income and a good life, to see it all be thrown away is just so pathetic and sad. >> it's sad. you know, people loved her. we all appreciated her talent. but the fact is, just like if she had a cancer with a terrible prognosis, you have to recognize this as a sick person. there's a treatment there but not everyone who has access to that treatment is going to get well.
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>> dr. drew, thanks. >> a lot more ahead including our "ridiculist". first, our 306 news and business bulletin. jury selection began in texas in the trial of warren jeff the leader of the fundamentalist mormon sect. charged with bigomy. nfl will play the 2011-2012 season. the team owners and players association signed a new ten did she year collective bargaining agreement that ended the four-month lockout. players can begin reporting to club facilities tomorrow. and the incredible story of the chilean miners are headed to the screen. production on the film is expected to begin sometime next year. that's one for your diary anderson. >> the producer from "black
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swan" and he has an interesting history. we've been waiting for you this entire hour, where have you been? i kept getting word, you're not here -- are you having travel problems yet again? >> i flew from l.a. -- >> you have endless travel difficulties it seems. >> i'm trying to figure out the highlight of the day that the child that screamed so hard that i thought he was going to be sick or my time at max and ermas watching people eating chicken wings. >> thanks so much. i'm glad you made it in. for the "ridiculist", tonight we had the home shopping network. actually, i think they just call it hsn now not to be okay confused with hln because the idea of nancy grace yelling at us to buy costume jewelry does oddly appeal to me.
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they are on the list because they dropped the ball on what i think is a incredible opportunity and i don't mean having roland martin on to sell his line of ascots. not a bad idea. i'm talking about mariah carey. the original vision of love. she was on hsn last night to sell some of her jewelry and accessories and why the executives over there did not immediately give her her own show is beyond me. yankee what qvc is bringing to the table but unless it's a cubic zirconia -- >> there's like 20 zillion cameras. there's four or five. i didn't know there was math involved. >> okay. fine, mimi had some trouble with the cameras. as a trained tv professional complete with hair dryer it happens to the best of us. it's not like she was so disoriented she was making up words. >> when i was pregnant and
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creating this stuff, i was like, i need a camouflagian moment. >> she's making up words. who hadn't needed a camouflagian moment. cut her some slack. it was all she could do to deal with the cameras. >> i just had babies. we can't -- sorry. they're telling me to look in the camera to see the people which one is that? >> right there. >> hi, folks. >> this handbag on the side -- >> don't discuss that one. >> take the camera off me, please and i know you guys hear me. i see it on me. >> there it is. >> last time we had an issue, i won't get into it. >> no one has seemed to tell her it's about selling the products. i admit, i haven't fully kept up with mariah in the past few years. i didn't know she had a fashion line. i know shot get married to one of the guys from "america's got talent."
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i also knew that mariah gave birth to twins and a lot of people have made fun of their names. i won't do that especially now that i know what she went through. >> my body went through so much, holding those twins in you have to keep them in as long as possible. because it's a sacrifice you make for them and so literally i was like 47 weeks pregnant. >> i love the guys holding the shoe like, let me just sell the shoe. 47 weeks! she says she was pregnant for 47 weeks! that's 10.6 months. now wonder piers morgan looks so tired. >> they always tell me, it's all worth it. i was like, yeah, it's easy for you to say when you're not the one whose feet are big and it turned into a difficult time. i need a moment, honestly.
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>> mariah carey earrings, $39. complaining about her swollen feet to callers on hsn? priceless. if you're still unconvinced that she needs her own show, she's nothing, if not easy to work with. >> can we see, not to dictate shots. please, you guys go to a close up of the side where the gold is, because these details were really super important to me. if you can go down. cut away from me. >> there you go. >> don't show that. my microphone just tell off my body. >> so, hsn, it's up to you. i understand mariah carey was on again this evening but i'm holding out for her to get a permanent and her own show. i want her and her swollen feet. let me know.
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